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May 25, 2020 at 11:54 PM #38196
Hi all,
I finally got my first game to try out with this new setup – Ps1 via scart to OSSC to HDMI on a Sumsung UA65NU8000.
Currently trialing the resident evil 2 demo disc and I”m really disappointed with the results. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong.
The game only works OK on x2 generic mode, I can get images from x3 and x5 generic and the additional resolutions, but the image quality is a lot worse than x2 generic.
All the other output options do not display on my screen. So, after trying every output option this is the best I can come up with.As you can see it’s pixelated as hell. I’ve since looked at a few clips online of resident evil 2 through the OSSC and it look so much better:
The above doesn’t look pixelated at all. I must be doing something wrong and I can only think of the following problems:
1. I’m using a cheaper Ebay SCART cable while I wait for the sync on luma cable to arrive
2. My television does not display the needed resolution to make this game look good (as I said it only seems to work with limited resolutions)
3. Resident evil 2 just looks completely shit in general – although I don’t understand how others are getting the image better
4. I need to mess with the setting in the OSSC – although I’ve tried this according to suggestions here and it makes it worse: https://www.cybdyn-systems.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2016Additionally – there is an unpleasant shimmering effect on the screen in all resolutions.
I would appreciate any feedback on the issue. Thanks.
May 26, 2020 at 9:07 AM #38203Your image is fine. It’s what one gets with the dithering of many PS1 games. The other image you refer to either uses the de-dither hack, or has some additional smoothing after the OSSC.
It’s a common misunderstanding, that the “pixelated” image is caused by some bad sampling or upscaling. It is actually the most accurate display of the original image. Thing is it would be blurred on a CRT and then looks much better. This is also why you perceive the image looks better at line x2, this is because it is then a 480p image being upscaled by your display, adding the blur necessary to make the image more palatable.May 26, 2020 at 9:36 AM #38205Interesting. Thanks for your reply. I actually expected a lot more from this thing. I spent so long researching the best method to display ps1 games and read so much rave about this thing. Maybe my expectation were too much. Would the framemiester be better suited to ps1 games? I’ve gone to all this trouble and it’s barely playable.
May 26, 2020 at 11:22 AM #38209Changing to the sync on luma may get rid of the shimmering so that’s something.
Honestly though, early 3D games never looked the best. You could try an emulator on a PC which can make them look a lot better but of course then you open up a whole new kettle of fish with regards accuracy, glitches, etc.
Oh and no, Framemeister won’t be significantly different here.
Edit 2 – I’m not sure that dithering you’re seeing should be there in Resi 2, please try your sync on luma cable and report back.
May 26, 2020 at 12:26 PM #38213Yeah it seems too intense, I’ve looked at numerous clips of the ossc and frameister on the net playing RE2 and it’s always much better quality – or less dithering as you say.
I’ve spent around 8-10 hours just messing with setting on the ossc, my tv, and trying different cables. No change.
I tried final fantasy origins today and while the 2d looks a little better, the writing is barely readable. I’m sure somethings not right.
I really hope it’s just the cable. The sync on luma is currently in the mail so I’ll report back. But if anyone has any other ideas or feedback it would be appreciated. Thanks.
June 1, 2020 at 8:14 PM #38441Are you sure your cheap ebay scart cable is actually RGB, and not just giving you a composite signal
June 4, 2020 at 7:39 AM #38556UPDATE:
Finally got the sync on luma cable in the mail today. And… Absolutely no difference.
Guys. Please help with this. It’s insanely frustrating to see every single clip on the internet of resident evil and the ossc look significantly less dithered than my setup. If resident evil looks like this then I’m dreading what some of my other fav games will look like (FF7 etc) and I don’t want to invest anymore money in games if it’s going to look this bad.
June 9, 2020 at 3:24 PM #38758Do you like scanlines??? I can’t play early 3D games without them. Here, I took a photo from that same scene (cell pic, but you can get an idea).
That is the ossx going from 5x, 1600×1200, generic and custom scanlines to a 4k tv.
June 14, 2020 at 8:32 AM #38909I think your version would look good without the scan lines. Probably looks better even with them.
The overall question in the thread is – why does your version (and everyone else’s) have significantly less dither?
June 14, 2020 at 7:21 PM #38916@chofreeze: For me, scanlines help with noise and dither. You may benefit from moving to composite which should help to remove dither. Review this video, especially at the one minute mark Composite vs RGB. I would try composite and see if it looks good to you. You’re already on 2x 4:3 generic which would soften then image. You could try enabling Sampling->upsample2x (http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=OSSC).
June 18, 2020 at 10:13 AM #39036Lynxtosg: Thanks for the advice. The video definitely shows the reduction in dither when switched to composite. I’ve ordered a composite adapter for a samsung tv (composite to 3.5mm cable) to test it out. I’m also still very tempted to buy a framemesiter as this takes the composite signal opposed to the OSSC.
June 19, 2020 at 2:01 AM #39059echofreeze: While I have and enjoy a framemeister, nowadays it’s not the most cost effective solution. I recommend using a retrotink2x or RAD2x. The best bang for your buck is going to be the retrotink2x. Check out the stats, https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/retrotink-2x
If you are looking to get a framemeister then it should be interlaced support, e.g. 480i. Although, you may want to review the GBS8200 with GBS Control https://github.com/ramapcsx2/gbs-control or wait for the OSSC Pro for a cheaper interlaced solution.
June 19, 2020 at 10:58 AM #39070The overall question in the thread is – why does your version (and everyone else’s) have significantly less dither?
It doesn’t, the scanlines hide the dithering.
Be prepared for a lot of other trade-offs if you use composite of course.
June 20, 2020 at 2:09 PM #39096Have now pre-ordered the RAD2x and HD retrovision genesis with ps1 adapter. What’s a coupe of hundred dollars more…
June 20, 2020 at 3:06 PM #39097Have you tried playing your PS1 games on a PS3? PS3s are backwards compatible with PS1 games, and the Resident Evil trilogy are among the PSone Classics purchasable from the PlayStation Network.
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