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  • #26903
    fatherted
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    Hello,

    Love the OSSC and it’s been great with a pre 2015 1080p samsung for years. Only thing that gave me trouble was the snes 5x mode, but a dejitter mod solved that right quick.

    I’m going with samsung, but can’t choose between these 2 for the life of me.

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    They both have 120HZ refresh rate, motion rate is 240 (whatever that is) Input lag with game mode both fall into the 14-15ms range and the response time is around 4-5 as well.

    OLED or QLED – is holding me up. I read the thread below but was looking for any additional feedback.

    Need advice for new TV for OSSC

    Has anyone grabbed a QLED and then decided to roll back or anything like that?

    This TV is strictly for retrogaming with the OSSC and netflix.

    #26920
    Harrumph
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    Maybe this comparison can be of some help (not the same models though)

    #26924
    fatherted
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    Actually that helped quite a bit. They really are so close in alot of ways but I think I will wait until boxing day – they might even have some new tech out by then or at least a huge price drop.

    Thanks!

    #27025
    leewrigley
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    Unfortunately you have likely just missed the best time to buy a new TV with the 2019 models just being Introduced now. If you head I to a store however you might get lucky and they might still have some 2018 TVs sitting around. I work in TV sales and I know you said you want to go with Samsung, firstly Samsung do not sell OLED TVs, this is likely due to the fact that lg makes all OLED panels for the TVs and both companies are Korean and are rivals so Samsung likely refuses to buy them.

    So then, OLED or QLED. The question everyone always asks, truth is though that there is no competition. OLED is undeniably better in nearly every way apart from brightness, the nature of OLED gives it low input lag, better black levels and awesome colours, they typically arnt as bright as Samsung TVs, but Samsung fake their brightness results and they are taking about peak brightness which they are able to reach for literally a few seconds when a test pattern is displayed.

    Next thing to note is that most TV companies also make QLED Tvs just with different names. QLED is all branding, it’s what Samsung is best at and it’s why everyone thinks they are the best. In reality they just have very clever marketing. Look out for Sony’s trilluminous TV, LGs Nano cell as these are both the same technology as QLED but are usually better and cheaper.

    with that out the way the next thing to consider is OLED burn in. Don’t worry, this is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Since you seem to be a retro gamer judging by the fact you have an OSSC, it’s very very unlikely that you would ever experience burn in unless there is one game that you okay literally all the time for hours on end then it’s possible that the life bars and stuff like that could possibly burn in, vey unlikely though. If you use scan lines maybe switch them from top to bottom every now and then just to be in the safe side.

    Samsung TVs are overpriced and there are much better options out there for retro gaming. The Sony X90f for a non OLED tv and literally any OLED will give you the same picture quality since you will be turning the TV to game mode which disables most of the processing and all OLED panels come from LG and are the same as I mentioned previously.

    Hope this has given you some idea of what is a good TV to go for. Any other questions let me know, as I say I work with this stuff so I know what is bs and what is not.

    #27030
    Steo
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    I got the B8 last year and I’d say OLED hands down. The OLED has spoiled me so much that it made me hate the majority of LCD screens I’ve looked at after using it. The perfect black levels is one of my favourite things about the TV.

    As for burn in, I can vouch that people definitely blow this out of proportion. I have played a lot of retro games on the set and haven’t even seen any retention, let alone burn in. I actually have a habit of leaving the same TV station on a lot (though I wouldn’t recommend doing so just in case), and the watermark hasn’t burned in even slightly either. I feel like as long as you leave these settings under OLED Panel Settings:

    Pixel Refresher – On
    Screen Shift – On
    Logo Luminance Adjustment – Low

    You will have very minimal chance of actually getting burn in. I feel like the only way you’d even have a chance of getting it, is if you set OLED Light to 100 all the time, then either play the same game retro game with a HUD every day for at least a year, or else just leave the same TV channel on constantly day in day out, which has an overlay, such as a news channel etc.

    Even if you leave the same image on the TV for too long, it automatically dims, similar to a screen saver on an Xbox.

    #27076
    fatherted
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    Just checked back in on this thread today – appreciate the in depth responses.

    I don’t doubt anything that has been said here, but just had a few follow ups:

    @ leewrigly – when you said try to get a 2018 tv, what’s the issue with the 2019’s? poor quality in comparison? Is there an Oled you would recommend with low input lag in place of a samsung/ Sony X90f?

    @ Steo – the B8 – that’s the LG correct? do you have a model# for that one – maybe I will see if I can find it.

    #27236
    Steo
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    Sorry for the late reply, I hadn’t seen this. Basically they’re recommending last years model because you’ll get a better price on them.

    Mine’s a 55 inch OLED55B8PUA.

    #27296
    fatherted
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    Thanks – I will see if there are any of those around.

    How do you find the input lag on that tv?

    I’ve been reading up quite a bit based on what you and leewrigley have been saying and I think OLED is the way to go. I just had good experiences with the samsungs and wanted to keep it going.

    #27364
    leewrigley
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    @fatherted i know that Samsung TVs are reliable and get a good write up but if the budget is there, honestly go for the OLED – LGs are the cheapest, and for retro gaming the cheapest is (in most cases) what you are wanting to go for because we as retro gamers are only buying this for the panel and not the fancy processing it can do. The benefits to some other OLED tvs are mainly better speakers, such as in the sony OLED range (AG8 & AG9 for uk, A8G & A9G for US) where there is essentially a soundbar set up behind the screen and the sound comes through the glass which is a cool effect and a good space saver since you wont likely want a soundbar unless you are an audiophile. The only other good feature you will find in the expensive OLEDs (Panasonic gz2000 & sony AG9) where the company has done some tweaking to the panels to increase contrast, brightness and heat distribution – i wouldn’t worry too much about this, stick with the cheapest ones for this.

    As far as lag is concerned, any OLED in game mode will have an inherently good/low lag because of the nature of the screen technology itself, to be sure though the best way is to head over to the website displayspecifications and they will give you the value for the input lag on there, along with loads of other information about the TV and its specific specs.

    TL;DR cheap OLED is the way to go, lag is inherently low on OLEDs so choose whichever you can find at a good price and im sure you will be happy.

    (i should really do a full write up on tvs for ossc/retro use on this forum to help out those who are not as familiar, if anyone wants that let me know)

    #27368
    Thomago
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    Pixel response time (How fast do the panel’s pixels change?) is inherently low on OLEDs, input lag (How long does it take the TV to transform an input into an output?) isn’t. And unfortunately, there’s no manufacturer out there specifying input lag (at least not in a trustworthy way); you have to go to sites like rtings.com to get information on that.

    #27371
    leewrigley
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    Yes you are exactly right it is the pixel response time that is inherently fast, you will find however using one of the websites we highlighted that most sit at around 20ms roughly which is close to the best you will get. Lowest TV lag you can get in a consumer is usually around 14ms.

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