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  • #26348
    megatron-uk
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    I have just retired 4 old Joytech scart switch boxes that ran to a Sony PVM in favour of a 16 port W-Hydra and OSSC combination to a Dell Ultrasharp 1920×1200 panel.

    However, I’m starting to pull my hair out with the Hydra – it’s so particular about what it will and won’t sync to. So far I’ve tried the following (all known-good, previously working):

    System / Hydra Sync? / OSSC Direct Sync?
    BBC No Yes (no active components)
    Jaguar No Yes (no active components)
    SNES No Yes (sync on luma cable)
    SMS No No
    MD No No
    Saturn No Yes (original Sega RGB scart cable)
    Gamecube Yes Yes
    Atari STE Yes Yes
    MSX2+ No Yes
    ZX Spectrum +3 No Yes

    Only the PAL Gamecube and the Atari STE work so far, I was surprised with the MD and SMS not working even to the OSSC directly, but I’ll give a new cable a shot with those two; but everything else works great when I skip the connection to the Hydra and go direct to the OSSC AV1 input.

    I still have an Amiga 500, 1200, NeoGeo AES and CPC 464 to try (waiting on replacement PSU’s for the latter), but I’m not holding out much hope based on the current results.

    Surely people are not having this much trouble with ‘fancy’ scart cables? I spent a fortune on this thing. Can anyone point me to a supplier of known-working scart cables that are being used with those above consoles and the Hydra?…. oh, and that don’t cost £30 each…. I can’t justify spending more than the cost of the switch on cables alone.

    John

    #26366
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    I’ve not used my Hydra in a while, but I think there were some firmware updates for it, did you get it direct from Lotharek or second hand?

    #26415
    megatron-uk
    Participant

    It’s brand new from Lotharek about 6 weeks ago.

    Just bought two new csync type cables from https://www.retrocomputershack.com/ for the MD1 and the SMS1 and now the OSSC is happy with those, though still nothing when they’re connected through the Hydra, and those cables definitely seem to be in-spec; they have the resister and capacitor on the sync line to bring it down from TTL levels (which supposedly the Hydra doesn’t cope with).

    Also managed to test my Amiga 500 and 1200 – the 500 works but the 1200 doesn’t, thought I haven’t had the time to see if there is any physical difference between the two scart cables.

    I’m now sitting here with a full 16 port wide-Hydra switch and I’ve got less than 6 devices of my original 16 that will work through it.

    #26420
    megatron-uk
    Participant

    So following some advice from Lotharek I’ve opened up the scart connectors of several of the above consoles (MD1, SMS1, SNES) and measured the voltage of the sync line (scart pin 20), some worrying results:

    MD1 (fitted with 220uF cap and 470Ohm resistor – and my multimeter confirms as such) : 3.22v!!!
    SMS1 (as above) : 1.13v
    SNES (wired as sync-on-luma) : 2.02v

    Since the lotharek states the Hydra follows the scart spec of a 1v max sync signal these are all out of spec.

    #26503
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    Yeah Retro Computer Shack aren’t known for making very high quality cables.

    #26556
    paulb_nl
    Participant

    You need to measure the voltages with a 75Ohm load so for example while connected to the OSSC.

    SNES sync on luma should drop to 1v with a 75Ohm load (0.3v sync+0.7v video)

    #38970
    megatron-uk
    Participant

    Holy thread necromancy Batman!

    Just to say I never got a solution to this and I ended up junking the 16 port Hydra-W…. I’ve since switched to a 8 port GScartsw and every single system I’ve tried on it (using exactly the same cables as on the Hydra) has worked.

    I didn’t have to buy expensive RGC cables either – I’ve got a mix of new ones I’ve bought from Retrocomputershack (nothing wrong with them when used with the gscartsq and ossc), original manufacturers RGB cables and no-name cheap stuff I’ve had for 20 or 30 years. Apart from a single Mega Drive cable that had no caps on the RGB lines, every cable I’ve tried has worked first time.

    The Hydra ended up being a huge waste of money. The only problem I have now is waiting for the GScartsw to re-stock, since I need (minimum) 15 sockets!

    #38982
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    I guess you must have had a faulty switch for that to happen. Maybe one day if we get the capacity we can design our own take on the SCART switch and back it up with some better support etc.

    #39737
    TokyoRebirth
    Participant

    Too bad I just saw this thread. From my experience, the Hydra doesn’t support CSync. Only sync on luma. I had to figure that out the hard way :/ but now since I switched cables, everything works perfectly so far.

    #39740
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    I’m using mine with csync and don’t experience problems.

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