June 27, 2020 at 2:35 PM #39270
As in 480p 2x from the OSSC HDMI to mClassic.June 27, 2020 at 2:47 PM #39272
That would be useful, has anyone been in touch with them to ask about a firmware update to fix it?June 27, 2020 at 9:41 PM #39285
Marseille confirmed end users can’t update firmware. USB is power only.
I’ll take recommendations for a no lag upscaler. I’ve heard the DSC 301 is decent but not sure what type of upscaling or latency.June 28, 2020 at 10:25 AM #39297
Well that sucks.
DSC has great scaling, it adds one frame of lag.June 28, 2020 at 3:04 PM #39301
I did buy the DSC 301 recently haha. It was between that and DVDO (whatever I could find because availability is extremely scarce), but I the cheapest DVDO is like $250 on ebay. I think it was a VP30. But the DSC 301 looked awesome, was recommended by everyone and $100, so I took that.
The setting features are just amazing on the DSC. It should be fun, but in the end I’m not sure what I’m actually gonna use. The OSSC @480p + mClassic combo is still sub-1ms despite drawbacks in not being able to disable the post fx when upscaling. Am I wrong to say the mClassic is unbeatable for lagless bilinear/cubic upscaling at $100? Even getting lagless upscaling at all, not sure where else that exists.
Maybe for games that require less precision I’ll go to the DSC, but for Ninja Gaiden it’s still up in the air. I’ll have to see what it feels like because if the DSC’s 17ms is an improvement over my TVs upscaler, then it’s still a net win.June 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM #39306Jon NielsenParticipant
I use the DVDO Edge, and I can recommend it for your use case scenario, if you end up finding one cheaply. It takes some non-standard video modes like 2x480p and feeds the mClassic some fine 1080p with no noticable lag. However, the Edge has its own problems in my experience, such as not being tolerant to SNES/NES Jitter without workarounds.June 28, 2020 at 4:55 PM #39310
The Edge unfortunately has quite high input lag with certain consoles. There’s a bug where if the signal is the slightest bit of NTSC spec (as consoles usually are) the lag shoots up to at least 2 frames. The iScan Duo suffers from this too. VP50 Pro and earlier are not affected.
because if the DSC’s 17ms is an improvement over my TVs upscaler, then it’s still a net win.
Almost all TVs add lag even if you feed them a native resolution image. The lag is not from scaling rather picture processing.June 28, 2020 at 10:33 PM #39315
Does it not matter which DVDO or is the Edge sepecial? I read DVDOs add 6-7ms when in the ideal game settings.
For my TV, I tested 480p up to 1080p from my PS3 and can tell the difference in latency. This is why I want to feed it a 1080p signal.June 29, 2020 at 10:56 AM #39331
The bug was introduced with the Edge, so the Edge, Edge Green and iScan Duo all have it. Anything earlier and you’re good for 6 to 7ms of lag on all consoles. Indeed ABT (DVDO) could be credited with creating the “adaptive” scaling mode the OSSC Pro is going to bring back.
For my TV, I tested 480p up to 1080p from my PS3 and can tell the difference in latency. This is why I want to feed it a 1080p signal.
I would test with a Time Sleuth or something more accurate than just the whole “feels different” thing, because it’s extremely rare (though not completely unheard of) for a TV to have significantly different input lag at different resolutions.June 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM #39341
Oh right, the OSSC Pro is gonna make everything else obsolete lmao. This is now the second time you recommended me something just hours after I purchased it XD…so yes, shamefully, I bought a time sleuth. I really didn’t need to, but I just want to have fun. But I also don’t know how you’re predicting my purchases.June 29, 2020 at 8:47 PM #39357HarrumphParticipant
Bucko is actually Googlebot in disguise. 😄June 30, 2020 at 12:34 PM #39377June 30, 2020 at 6:40 PM #39384Jarrah WhiteParticipant
If I may offer my two cents worth, I’ve noticed that that 288p compatibility varies wildly with the mClassic. Obviously with the OSSC it only works with the 480p or 576p 2X mode. I tested the mClassic with PS2 and Wii HDMI adapters, both of which are just straight analog to digital converters without any upscaling. Playing Driver on the PS2, the mClassic recognized the 288p gameplay signal. But the anti-aliasing produced horrendous ringing artifacts around the graphics, almost as though I was looking at a heavily compressed jpg image. I also tested my Wii Virtual Console copy of Sonic The Hedgehog for Sega Master System through the Wii2HDMI. The entire image seemed to have been shifted on the vertical access, to the point that the upper part of the image was cropped by the top of the screen and coming up through the bottom. But for Wii Sports running in 480p, it looked fine.
With some adjustments, the mClassic could make a great scaling partner with the OSSC and even PS2, GameCube and Wii HDMI adapters. If they release an mClassic 2 or something, I’d like to see versions of the Scaling On and Retro modes without all the damn filters. For 3D content, it can help in some regards. But on 2D content is looks horrendous. A simple upscaling without filters would have done the trick.
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