OSSC Setup Guide on consoles, crt TVs and for streaming

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  • #25919
    Johny_lovin_it
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    Hi, I just bought the OSSC so I can not only get great picture and streaming but because I have an issue with my NES. Before I bought the OSSC, I have a Startech video capture box and a converter called AV2HDMI mini. Its a small white box that has hdmi output and rca input. It works on all my systems but my NES has this annoying black vertical bar that only shows on my computer screen when I stream. (Idk how to post the pictures so I can show you) So I tried using different cables, different consoles and different TVs and problem still persists. So I bought the OSSC in hopes of getting better picture and see if the bar would go away. At least it works on my TV screen with my scart rca adapter and picture is crisp and clear. BUT its not showing on my stream screen. I’m reading the manual and I don’t understand what the buttons on the remote do. I can’t see the menu screen on my tv or even on the computer. There was a grey screen one time when I started it and I pressed a button on the remote and its gone and I don’t get a menu screen. I don’t understand the settings, numbers, letters or what they mean. I have no idea what to do. I’ve been running everywhere trying to figure what to do to get rid of that bar cuz’ I wanted to do a webshow for years, stream games and I’m always getting problems and nobody around my area knows anything about this. I called tech support from startech and one said it might be the capture card cannot support old technology from my NES but he was surprised that I even got a picture from all of them, including the atari and colecovision and even those two don’t show that black bar; JUST the NES and I don’t know why. It seems that modding is the only solution but that’s what I’m trying to avoid. If I have to, I will but I was hoping this OSSC solves the issue. It may not but I still want to know how to use it. Idk what to do and I wish there was some live chat to walk me through this. Can anybody help me out here, please?

    #25922
    Harrumph
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    Take a deep breath and start over. Read the documentation, check the wiki, search forum. There are also a number of Youtube videos that can show you the basic functions. For example from My Life in Gaming. Actually you should probably watch all their videos regarding RGB, sync and analog video.
    Don’t expect an essay written to meet up with your level of ignorance.

    Yes, your NES will need to be RGB modded, or you need a composite to RGB/Component transcoder.

    Best of luck.

    #25927
    paulb_nl
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    To show a picture here upload it to Imgur.com and post the link here.

    It is not possible to use an unmodded NES with the OSSC except for the french NES which outputs RGB (decoded composite video). But what you can do is connect the yellow RCA to the green AV2 input to see if your capture card supports the output from a NES. You should get a black&white picture that way.

    If you are not using RGB from your consoles then the Retrotink 2X might be better suited because that supports composite and S-video.

    #25931
    SegaFanboy
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    Sorry that this will sound a bit harsh, but Harrumph is right. Take a deep breath and start over. Why do so many people ignore the description of the OSSC? It even says:

    Composite video and S-Video are NOT supported and require an adapter/transcoder

    Your first step before buying a 135€ device should have been comparing your device’s video outputs to the OSSC’s inputs, which is a one minute search in Google. I understand the confusion with the N64 (AV-Multi out, shipped with Scart Adapter), but the NES was shipped with RF (which clearly doesn’t fit). So there is only one Video output left, which is yellow and a yellow input does not exist on the OSSC. And this is the moment, where everyone should get suspicious and search Google or this Forum. I assume you used a ccart adapter, but Electronics is not Lego. Just because something fits, it doesn’t mean it will work. The best example is the above mentioned French NES, which you can plug in nearly every Nintendo AV-Cable until the Gamecube. Will it work? Sometimes. Will it brick your OSSC? Probably also sometimes. Just be careful, in your case nothing bad will happen, but it seems you don’t really know what you are doing.

    Again: Sorry that all this sounds harsh, but I don’t mean it like this. I have the same problem and gave up log ago, because there is no cheap way to get a good picture from the NES to the OSSC.

    #25937
    paulb_nl
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    Composite video and S-Video are NOT supported and require an adapter/transcoder

    To be fair the adapter part of that sentence can be easily mistaken for a composite video to SCART adapter. Everyone that lives in a PAL SCART country has loads of those adapters laying around. It should just say ‘Composite video and S-Video are NOT supported.’

    The best example is the above mentioned French NES, which you can plug in nearly every Nintendo AV-Cable until the Gamecube.

    The french NES uses a unique connector so the SNES style AV cable is not compatible.

    #25938
    SegaFanboy
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    I overread the “adapter”. Why is that there? You are right, it can be easily mistaken.

    Didn’t know about the NES. I actually own one, but it is on my parent’s attic since I realiced it looks like crap. Always thought the connection port is the same. But still it’s true for SNES, N64 and Gamececube (PAL+NTSC). Never tried my NES on the OSSC thought.

    #25939
    Johny_lovin_it
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    Harrumph, I asked the seller and she told me to get this product.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-Scart-Cable-for-NES-Console/262378445911?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

    It says RGB scart cable for NES but its clearly composite. Still, it works on my tv screen. But when I turn off the OSSC, the game still plays. Okay so maybe I’m not doing this right, idk. But what does this mean?

    So far this is what my connection looks like:
    Computer desktop – 3.0 USB => Startech video capture box
    Startech video capture box – HDMI cable => OSSC
    OSSC – RGB scart cable => Radioshack switch box (Its so I can switch to different consoles)
    Radioshack is input to the tv and output to the NES

    Anyway, on my stream screen, when I turn the OSSC on, I do get a grey screen. When the console is on and the OSSC is synced, its gone. And the LCD screen reads AV1: RGBS 262p 15.75kHz 60.12Hz

    If I buy this product or this one, what should I connect what to what?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-to-YPbPr-Component-transcoder-converter/173874353960?hash=item287bb81728:g:W2AAAOSwADxb~3mQ

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-to-Component-Video-Transcoder/113721846586?hash=item1a7a59ab3a:g:XmQAAOSwxLlct9Sb

    And also to note, my friend said that all I need is an AV Breakout cable which has an S-video cord and rca & rgb cords and it connects to my startech capture box.

    And I just watched a youtube video where someone compares the OSSC with the Fraimeister and he says it doesn’t want to work with streaming and says to go to the fraimeister. If it comes to that, then gaddamn I gotta’ spend more money. But I’m going to try the retrotink first.

    #25946
    nmalinoski
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    Harrumph, I asked the seller and she told me to get this product.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-Scart-Cable-for-NES-Console/262378445911?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

    It says RGB scart cable for NES but its clearly composite. Still, it works on my tv screen. But when I turn off the OSSC, the game still plays. Okay so maybe I’m not doing this right, idk. But what does this mean?

    Of course this works. SCART was designed to accommodate all of composite, S-Video, and RGB, plus audio, all on the same cable, and TVs equipped with SCART should be able to handle all of those formats from their SCART inputs; so, when you are using that cable to connect your NES directly to your display, it’s displaying the composite video from the console.

    When you run that same cable to your OSSC, you should get sync and no image, because the OSSC is using that composite video signal for sync, and it’s not receiving the expected R, G, or B signals.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “turn off the OSSC”.

    So far this is what my connection looks like:
    Computer desktop – 3.0 USB => Startech video capture box
    Startech video capture box – HDMI cable => OSSC
    OSSC – RGB scart cable => Radioshack switch box (Its so I can switch to different consoles)
    Radioshack is input to the tv and output to the NES

    These layouts are sometimes easier to follow if you start from the video source (NES) and describe the paths to your display and capture devices.

    If I’m understanding this correctly, the composite output from your NES is connected to a RadioShack SCART switcher; the output of your SCART switcher is then split between your TV and the OSSC; and the OSSC is connected to your Startech capture device?

    Anyway, on my stream screen, when I turn the OSSC on, I do get a grey screen. When the console is on and the OSSC is synced, its gone. And the LCD screen reads AV1: RGBS 262p 15.75kHz 60.12Hz

    For the most part, this is normal; that grey screen is the test screen that the OSSC outputs by default when it’s first turned on, and then, when a valid input is selected, the test screen is replaced with the video source. If you’re using that composite video SCART cable, then, again, that explains why you get sync but no video. The only weird thing is that the NES is usually 60.08Hz, not 60.12Hz, but this may be related to a known issue with the OSSC’s refresh rate readout.

    If I buy this product or this one, what should I connect what to what?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-to-YPbPr-Component-transcoder-converter/173874353960?hash=item287bb81728:g:W2AAAOSwADxb~3mQ

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-to-Component-Video-Transcoder/113721846586?hash=item1a7a59ab3a:g:XmQAAOSwxLlct9Sb

    These likely won’t do anything for you, as they ostensibly only transcode RGB to YPbPr; they likely will not get you RGB or YPbPr from composite video. You specifically need a decoder that can convert composite video (and/or S-Video) to YPbPr or RGB. Unfortunately, RGB/YPbPr decoders are not easy to come by. Those that respect 240p, like the Kramer FC-4040 and FC-4044, are rare, expensive, and discontinued.

    Right now, I think your best option is a RetroTINK 2X, which will take 15kHz video (specifically 240p@60, 288p@50, 480i@60, 576i@60, but not PAL60) and either passthrough or line-double to 480p/576p, with HDMI output. An RT2X could be used directly with your HDMI TV or AVR (cleanest in terms of setup), or it can be used with the OSSC via an active HDMI to VGA converter.

    If you have a little patience, you should wait for VGP’s upcoming Koryuu decoder, which will be able to decode composite video and S-Video to YPbPr, which can be used directly with the OSSC.

    And also to note, my friend said that all I need is an AV Breakout cable which has an S-video cord and rca & rgb cords and it connects to my startech capture box.

    That AV breakout cable would only be useful if you’re going to hook the NES directly to your capture device. If you’re going to use an RT2X, or RGB mod your NES to use it with the OSSC, then you’ll have HDMI output to feed directly into your capture device.

    One thing to note is that the NES and SNES are known for having a jittery output (something about a scanline being terminated early every other frame, resulting in an uneven sync cadence), which some displays and capture devices won’t tolerate, especially from HDMI inputs. The OSSC doesn’t compensate for this, but the RT2X does.

    And I just watched a youtube video where someone compares the OSSC with the Fraimeister and he says it doesn’t want to work with streaming and says to go to the fraimeister. If it comes to that, then gaddamn I gotta’ spend more money. But I’m going to try the retrotink first.

    As far as streaming goes, the Framemeister is probably your best bet, because it is capable of framerate conversion (so you can convert PAL 50Hz and off-spec sync sources to an even 60Hz), it can smooth out the sync quirks with the NES and SNES, is a proper scaler (versus the OSSC, which is a line multiplier), and gives you way more control over the image output, at the cost of about a frame of lag, which doesn’t matter to your viewers (and might not even make a difference to you).

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