Suggestions for LCD monitor instead of TV for OSSC? (4K vs 1080p, etc)

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  • #22622
    sofakng
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    Does anybody use an LCD monitor on a desk instead of a TV with an OSSC? I’m usually at my desk playing PC games (with an Acer X34 ultrawide monitor; not compatible with NES/SNES OSSC 3x-5x doubling), but I’m thinking about buying or using a secondary monitor for the OSSC.

    For example, would a 4K PC monitor that supports 3x-5x line doubling be my best bet? What about a 1080p monitor instead? I’m interested in having the most compatibility (NES/SNES 3x-5x line doubling plus 480p -> 960p doubling as well) and the best quality with lowest lag.

    Can anybody give me any suggestions or advice?

    #22672
    palette
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    I have a Philips BDM3270QP/00. It is a 32″ monitor with a 2.560 x 1.440 resolution. And it is amazing in my opinion. The best monitor I have had so far. The only downside is that it is not 4K. But picture qualitiy is outstanding, backlighting is even and lag is low.

    Consoles I tested:
    SNES, Saturn, PLaystation 1, original Xbox, PS2, Wii, Dreamcast

    Everything worked fine with 100% compatibility (3x-5x and 480p –> 960p).

    #22695
    Galdelico
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    @palette: for someone who likes scanlines, can I ask you what’s the best video mode, with a 1440p monitor? For example does a CAPCOM fighter on the Saturn look better in Line3x or Line4x?
    I remember my previous LG 4K monitor looked great in optim. Line2x and Line4x, while in Line3x and 5x scanlines came out super thin, which I didn’t really like.

    Also did you ever try interlaced contents on your monitor, with the OSSC set to Line2x bob deinterlace? We know IPS monitors tend to suffer from temporary image retention, with flickery 480i graphics (Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn, for example, as well as Ridge Racer V on the PS2), but there’s not much knowledge, when it comes to VA/AMVA display like yours.

    #22700
    palette
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    I prefer thin scanlines and I always use 3x or 5x mode. So I guess there is not much difference to a 4k monitor. In Line4x the scanlines are too thick for my taste.

    I tried interlaced content with Line2x and 4x, but I haven’t played a lot yet. I didn’t notice anything strange. What does this image retention look like, when it occurs?

    #22701
    Galdelico
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    That sounds very similar indeed. 🙂
    Any reason why you didn’t mention Line2x? Compatibility issues with your monitor or you just don’t use it at all?

    About image retention. First of all, it’s a temporary effect, and it goes away in a few minutes/hours, depending on the monitor: if you ever want to try that out, be sure you do it at the end of one of your play sessions, so you can turn your monitor off and leave it like that overnight.
    What does it look like? Well, to cut it short, it’s basically the flickery graphics elements in a 480i game (the life bars and fighters’ names in SEGA Saturn’s Virtua Fighter 2, for example, as well as the in-game UI in Ridge Racer V on the PS2) getting temporarily stuck on screen.

    Now, if you own Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn (I tested it with a Japanese copy of the game, on a Japanese Model 2 console), you can try this: just go through Arcade mode til the end – it takes me around 5 minutes, more or less – and then let the attract movies cycle until the one showing Shun Di’s exhibition. Then, you should be able to see the faint contour of the life bars and players’ names against the blue sky. Avoid Watch mode, as the constant 240p/480i swapping probably prevents the issue to manifest.
    With PS2 Ridge Racer V, it’s even easier… You can literally play the game for a few minutes, and then backing up to the menus should reveal the same UI retention pretty clearly.

    Thanks! ^_-

    #22750
    rock145
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    I have a 32 4k pc monitor and every time I use line2x,line3x,line4x,line5x the monitor does not upscale it to 4k. The most I get is 1080p with line5x. How are you guys getting it to upscale to 4k. In TV ossc gets upscale to 4k because the tv automatically upscale to 4k, but with pc monitor it only displays the resolution it receives.

    #22753
    nmalinoski
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    I have a 32 4k pc monitor and every time I use line2x,line3x,line4x,line5x the monitor does not upscale it to 4k. The most I get is 1080p with line5x. How are you guys getting it to upscale to 4k. In TV ossc gets upscale to 4k because the tv automatically upscale to 4k, but with pc monitor it only displays the resolution it receives.

    I’m not sure I understand how your monitor is behaving. Is that 1080p image not filling the screen?

    #22768
    rock145
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    Yes it fills the screen. I don’t know if its because I get 4k@30 on both hdmi inputs. I only get 4k@60 with display port. I have the ossc connected to hdmi 1. Don’t know if I have to get an hdmi to displayport adapter.

    #22771
    nmalinoski
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    The fact that the 1080p signal is filling the entirety of your 2160p screen means that it’s getting scaled.

    #22783
    rock145
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    I am not sure. When I press monitor info to see the resolution of the monitor it says 1080p@60 not 3840x2160p.

    #22785
    nmalinoski
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    Well, yeah, because that’s telling you the dimensions and framerate of the incoming signal, not the panel resolution.

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