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  • #22614
    PugHoofGaming
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    Hi all,

    I recently purchased an OSSC and so far very impressed with my purchase. I’ve heard that some people are using the OSSC in tandem with the Framemeister, and I just wondered what settings I should use on the Framemeister?

    #22615
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    That would depend entirely on what exactly it was you were trying to achieve. For most use cases there’s really very little point running OSSC through the Framemeister.

    #22616
    PugHoofGaming
    Participant

    Sorry, should have been a little more detailed!

    So, I’ve seen a few people use both for 480p sources, using the OSSC in 2xLine mode (for 960p) and then feeding that through to the Framemeister to resolve that into a 1080p output.

    Also, feeding it through the Framemeister would also give me a little control more over zooming/scaling.

    Basically, I’m trying to experiment and see what the best approach to capturing footage (currently using a HD60S, but I understand the Elgato Cam Link gives better results?)

    #22618
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    Yes, it’s quite common to use something like a FM or DVDO as a bridge between OSSC and a capture device. FM will accept the 960p signal and ‘normalise’ that to something that will display on pretty much all HDTVs or capture cards. You get a 20ms input lag penalty but that hardly matters for capture.

    #22619
    PugHoofGaming
    Participant

    Yeah, that’s the plan.

    I had a crack at it this morning, so I’ve got a Wii outputting at 960p to the Framemeister (2xLine mode). The Wii is set to 480p, widescreen.

    I’ve taken the default Framemeister profile, tweaking the sharpness, using Picture processing mode and Smart x1 mode. So far, it looks pretty good.

    However, I wonder if there are any other Framemeister settings I’ve missed, that someone would recommend?

    #22643
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    I think FirebrandX played with the combo a little bit, but I can’t find anything on his site.

    #23730
    Poeskas
    Participant

    I would like to know this as well. Wonder if it could help with sync issues with the SNES?

    #23731
    FBX
    Participant

    I don’t recall exactly what I did as it’s been a while since I even used the Framemeister, but feel free to check out the Dreamcast + Toro Box + OSSC Framemeister profile I made:

    http://www.firebrandx.com/downloads/OSSCTORO.zip

    I believe it used HDMI1 input and I was able to dial in a perfect integer scale on it from the 960P source. I even made a comparison picture showing the difference between straight into the Framemeister and then using the OSSC to line double to 960P into the FM’s HDMI port:

    480P FM versus 960P pre-scaled:

    #23776
    zack__1987
    Participant

    I’m so interested into this since I already have both devices… For me the PS1/PS2 looks better on the Framemeister and my SNES/Megadrive looks sooo crisp on the OSSC… I just downloaded the Firebrand new OSSC profiles but there is not one for the PS1 right? Is the one I’m having more troubles with on the OSSC since the 5x line mode doesn’t shows on my Samsung QLED8C, appreciate some help, thanks!

    Also just bought the EON GCHD adapter and maybe plug it directly to the TV is the best option?

    #23781
    nmalinoski
    Participant

    I think GCVideo might benefit from an additional scaler; I’m not sure I’d be keen to run it through an OSSC, because you’d have to convert to analog instead of keeping it digital, but, if your TV can take a 960p image, that will probably look better than letting your display scale the 480p output from the GCHD.

    #23803
    BuckoA51
    Keymaster

    I’ve tried it with GCDual and it looks pretty awesome.

    #23827
    zack__1987
    Participant

    But the EON adaptor I have only has a HDMI out so it’s impossible to plug it to an OSSC right?

    #23835
    nmalinoski
    Participant

    But the EON adaptor I have only has a HDMI out so it’s impossible to plug it to an OSSC right?

    Directly to all hardware revisions of the OSSC to date, yes; however, you can get a Tendak or Portta active HDMI to VGA adapter to connect it to AV3.

    #23838
    zack__1987
    Participant

    Without any loss? Didn’t know it, thanks 😉

    #23849
    nmalinoski
    Participant

    It depends on what you mean by loss. By going from digital to analogue, you’re potentially losing an insignificant amount of fidelity (which can be exacerbated by poorly-shielded cabling), and the OSSC needs to then sample and interpret the analogue signals, converting back to digital; but a good-quality converter and shielded cables will mitigate quality loss from the digital->analogue->digital conversion. If the OSSC had a digital input, then you wouldn’t lose anything; but the hardware design to date doesn’t have anything like that.

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